Diskuze: nVidia vs. 3Dfx, ATi, PowerVR, Rendition...

[no-X]

Tohle je moc zajímavá prezentace nVidie. Zvlášť když to člověk bere jako jejich vlastní mínění o jejich vlastních produktech.

[no-X]

Následující odstavec jsem našel v jednom článku na Beyond 3D z roku 1999. Ani za těch šest let se lidi nedokázali poučit

So, I guess we as consumers should be thankful that there are companies like NVIDIA and S3 that dare to innovate, that are willing to spend money on getting great features supported. But, does this mean we should just foolishly buy a product with a feature that has no-use "as of today" and maybe not even in its whole life cycle? I mean look at S3TC...great feature...but those who bought a S3 Savage board will know what I mean... Imagine, for a moment, you buy a GeForce today. You don't get much faster results than your previous TNT2 Ultra because of bandwidth issues (you bought a SDR GeForce). After 6-9 months you finally get that kick ass application that uses T&L. You come to find out that you should upgrade to a GeForce2 or a 3dfx's Rampage because the T&L of the original GeForce is too slow, or the fillrate is to low, or maybe just because your friends are getting higher frame-rates. At the very least, you'll want to go back and get a DDR GeForce. So, in the end you shouldn't look at the good a new feature might be able to bring, you should also think about WHEN you will see that benefit. If it takes 3-9 months then you should probably just wait since in that time there will be competitors and the products will just get cheaper. There is more than just a feature to it...you need a feature that is used actively!

[no-X]

Marketing nVidie má své jméno - Arbuthnot Entertainment Group (AEG). Je to samostatná firma, která pracuje např. i pro Microsoft

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26199

Nemohl by být RH agentem AEG pro ČR?

[no-X]

Jak vypadá nábor AEG na diskusních fórech (a odpověď na to, kde vzal Hulán 7800 SLI ):

Oh no, I've been summoned!

trini, I take offense at you calling me either respected or well-liked, and especially both in the same post. There goes the bad-boy image I've been cultivating so carefully.

Just to kick off the 13th page of this thread with a bang (cheers, apt timing), I'll relent and post the PM. I repost, you decide.

Kód: Vybrat vše

<Title:> Saw a few of your posts online and have a quick question

Hello -

My name is xxx, and I'm contacting you to invite you to join a new online focus group. NVIDIA is interested in getting direct feedback from games and PC hardware and software enthusiasts, graphic artists and others in the creative industry and we are contacting select members of these communities on their behalf. We're looking for people with a strong knowledge of PC hardware and software who are respected in their communities, which is why we're contacting you. As a member of the focus group, you will have access to a newer NVIDIA card. Additionally, you will have access to NVIDIA technical documentation and other information to help you as you work with us.


Please let me know if you would like to join us, and I will send you more information. Email is best but you can also contact my office line at xxx


Thanks for your time,

xxx

Fairly innocuous, if you ask me. As I said, at first I didn't realize AEG was a legitimate company, and so I disregarded it as spam (which I suppose it is, in the least objectionable sense). As for the ethical ramifications of this specific offer, I have no opinion either way, as I have no personal experience with the program and I haven't tried contacting them for public comment. As it stands, I really can't assume anything further from this PM than them inviting me into a focus group. I can't assume it'd be longer term than the more typical "a few hours of your time" focus groups, nor can I assume that they wanted me to shill for NV. I'm not sure how to interpret their inclusion of "graphic artists and others in the creative industry."

Still, even hearing the arguments against revealing one's working for AEG (you/they'll get inundated with pleas for inclusion, it's standard practice), an NDA prohibiting acknowledging even involvement with AEG or on behalf of NV isn't in keeping with my idea of the spirit of these (and all--yes, I'm a dreamer) forums, namely personal opinions and maximal disclosure, especially for something as seemingly innocuous as providing (note: only) NV your opinions. And their website-advertised services seem to go beyond mere opinion gathering.

Honestly, it's the potentially negative/nefarious implications of such a marketing effort that's got ppl riled up more than the actual/proven methods/results, and I doubt this PM will change the lighting anyone's been painted in. That said, I prefer transparency. But speculation, all, so worth, minimal (my prattling, I mean). Enjoy!

[no-X]

http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/evi ... 152874.php

[scot666]

Uz je to i na X-bit labs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/editor ... s2006.html

[Petrik9]

Dneska sem testoval PC jednoho chlapka pac ho ma nejakej nekompatibilni.Je tam GF FX5200 a kdyby ste vedeli jakej to je kram.No v jednom benchmarku to zobrazoval strasne kraviny.Jeste horsi nez ma PS47 u V2.Sice v obdobnejsim benchmarku je lepsi,ale stare klasicke benchmarky jsou strasne trhane.Taky kondiku ma celou radu vedle sebe.Ale moc nepece,rekl bych ze s timhle vytvorem by se nvidia mohla stydet

EDIT:jen tak informativne.Divim se ze se to da jeste dneska sehnat.

[wizzy]

...Je tam GF FX5200 a kdyby ste vedeli jakej to je kram...

My to víme

[3dfx.fun]

Dneska sem testoval PC jednoho chlapka pac ho ma nejakej nekompatibilni.Je tam GF FX5200 a kdyby ste vedeli jakej to je kram.No v jednom benchmarku to zobrazoval strasne kraviny.Jeste horsi nez ma PS47 u V2.Sice v obdobnejsim benchmarku je lepsi,ale stare klasicke benchmarky jsou strasne trhane.Taky kondiku ma celou radu vedle sebe.Ale moc nepece,rekl bych ze s timhle vytvorem by se nvidia mohla stydet

EDIT:jen tak informativne.Divim se ze se to da jeste dneska sehnat.

Pokud je špatně udělané PCB, na výrobci čipu nezáleží Takovéhle alotrie jsem viděl i u Radeona 9250 od STLabu. A tvrdím, že by se měla Ati za něj stydět?

Ačkoliv, trhání může být způsobené čímkoliv. Špatná deska, chipset, ovladače ...atd.

[Petrik9]

tohle je ale celkove divna GK.Testovano na 3 ruznych sestavach.V jedne hre kde GF2 mnela nekdy problemy to slo pekne,sem tam trochu trhane ale to bylo mozna CPU.V enclave Aniso 8× a tak.Ale co se tyce 3D marku 01/03 zklamani.Podle mne by byla ta 9250 urcite lepsi oproti teto nvidii.Ale dobre na teto GF je ze nijak moc nehreje.... tot snad vse.

EDIT: jedna se o XFX 5200 .

[wizzy]

Masoooo

[DOC_ZENITH/XAN]

Jejda.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502
Mno, takže vzhledem k tomu že Gainward vydal G70 kartu s 20 pipkama do AGP, a ještě k tomu by se mohla oběvit i 7600 AGP, tak by hoši z ATI měli honem rychle udělat ňákej protitah, jinak by si Nvidia mohla na AGP ještě docela nahrabat. Hehe já jen stejně čekám až někdo najde způsob, jak odemknout pipky na G70, určitě to neni tak složitý, bude to podle mě jen drobnej mechanickej zásah na kartu. Mno, porovnánim týhle 7800GS od Gainwardu s 20 ti pipkama s jinejma normálníma 7800GS by se to možná i dalo najít. Teda doufám že to někdo šikovnej najde. Ono udělat si pak ze všech těch 7800GS AGP krásný GTX ka by vůbec nebylo špatný, to bych tu GS možná i později koupil.
Jen doufám že ATI něčim odpoví, něco na bázi R520 nebo R580 by bylo v AGP moc hezký.

[ps47]

ja som to uz parkrat povedal,x1800gto agp a bezim s dalsou vyplatou rovno do obchodu..

[no-X]

S rialtem se měla používat RV560 nebo RV570. Ale jak to s nima dopadne, mi není známo

[no-X]

Pokud si chcete trochu zaflamovat na téma ATi/nVidia, tak se to docela dobře rozjíždí tady:

http://www.cdr.cz/a/diskuze/7224

[DOC_ZENITH/XAN]

Mno mělo by se to tu také zmínit. Gainward vydává G71 do AGP - plnejch 24 pipek a ty takty přímo vybízej k OC. Pořád čekám na něco od ATI (ale asi se nedočkám)

Gainward BLISS GeForce 7900 GS+ SILENT 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI (AGP)
- GeForce™ 7900 GT GPU running at 450MHz+ (Great Overclocking Potential)
- 512MB 1250MHz+ high speed GDDR3 memory (Great Overclocking Potential)
- Superscalar 24-Pipe GPU Architecture
- SILENT Cooling solution
- High-Speed DDR 256-bit Memory Interface
- Dual 400MHz RAMDACs
- Designed For Extreme HD Gaming – Delivering Ultra Realistic Gaming Experiences
- Built for Windows Vista – The next generation operating system
- Dual link DVI support
- Shader Model 3.0 Support
- True High Dynamic Range Rendering Support – Based on Open EXR technology

[ghost]

1500 kusov? vsak to zmizne vo svete za pol dna

[no-X]

Nechápu smysl high-endové karty pro AGP. Kdo má na takovouhle kartu, má i na PEG sestavu... Stejně je jasný, že dřív či později stejně bude muset za PEG sestavu peníze vydat a předražená AGP karta mu bude k ničemu...

[ghost]

vsak 2 roky hadam vydrzi a bohvie co pride zase potom (PEG mozno bude minulostou )
pri 1600*1200 4xAA to aj tak da rovnake fps na roznych procikoch PIII 1GHz/Duron 1600/A64 3700+/Prescott

[ps47]

Nechápu smysl high-endové karty pro AGP.

ja ano.trufam si tvrdit ze sa este stale najde kopa ludi ktori si proste chcu do svojho (tezce zaplateneho,hi-end) agp kompu vrazit novu rychlu grafiku a kaslat na vsetko ostatne (ak sa rozhodnes menit aj ostatne komponenty,z puvodne maleho upgradiku za 8 litru sa stane financna samovrazda za dvacet,ako uz bolo spomenute.a ten bordel okolo toho,rozpredavat tie stare komponenty,no komu sa to chce).nv to pochopila rychlo,uvidime ako dlho to potrva ati

puvodne som to planoval takymto spusobem udelat aj aj (nieco nove do agp,a za 3/4 roka komplet nieco nove),ale nakoniec som to zobral z druheho konca (tj najprv CPU/zakladna doska),a vdaka tomu asrocku s tym nebude problem-pofrcim na r9800p kym nebude x1900XL/GTO za akceptovatelnu cenu